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Every time i lag · May 19, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

most of the time i sell on forums
way more easy

Koudelka · May 19, 2007, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).

Amen to that sister.

The party search system is not very good. There is limited space to type into, and no one else uses it, not to mention if you change town/dis it is reset. The trade system in this game aggrovates me to no end. For example, you buy an item in one town, and you go to the next and discover someone else is selling it cheaper. Bleagh!

To the unfortunate person who was banned: Areanet is not fair, or kind. They will never exercise pity or restraint against anyone. Ever.

Amy Awien · May 19, 2007, 12:10 PM // 12:10

People turning of trade-chat is exactly why some traders use all-chat. They perceive their 'right' to sell and to make a few gold coins as the most important and they do not respect the wishes of those who are not interested in trading. The problem is in this attitude of those traders that use the all chat for their trade really don't respect other people. They don't accept, don't want to accept, that the people who turn of trade-chat do not want to trade.

Zappa, you'd make more money by just playing the game and selling to NPC's. I do not 'sell stuff', or farm, yet my one main character makes enough to buy equipment for herself, her heroes as well as for 3 other characters and their heroes.

Zappa · May 19, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Taala

Which would probably be the reason why he said he's sick of seeing buy and sell messages out of the trade channel. But I'm sure your helpful advice of turning the trade chat off makes him feel better.

That was my bad.

I read on the trade channel. And for that I am sorry. *bangs head on wall*

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Zappa, you'd make more money by just playing the game and selling to NPC's. I do not 'sell stuff', or farm, yet my one main character makes enough to buy equipment for herself, her heroes as well as for 3 other characters and their heroes.

Sorry, but I don't believe that. While I, of course, don't sell every piece of trash that I get from the ground to people, I find the need to sell some stuff to people. And by you not doing it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).

'Nuff said.

Lady Ana Stacia · May 19, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

First let me say I am not a rich player by any stretch of the imagination but I have the things my chars & hero's need.

Recently I have been selling more and no I don't spam in local chat. For those that say Party search doesn't work for trade thats false. Usually I can sell everything in 10-15minutes just posting it in there.

Pure and simple trade needs to be left to the trade channel and search function only.

Really hard to give new players helpful advice in Kamadan when local chat is so flooded.

Is the trade system optimal no, but it does work! People just have to let it.

Amy Awien · May 20, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Zappa

Sorry, but I don't believe that. While I, of course, don't sell every piece of trash that I get from the ground to people, I find the need to sell some stuff to people. And by you not doing it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

They have their own income as well. Anyway, I am not saying that one shouldn't trade, I am saying that trading is not nearly as necessary as it's sometimes made out to be. I wouln't be surprised if you can make more gold in the time you'd use selling gold items by just playing the game.

=HT=Ingram · May 21, 2007, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Thank you... Finally SOMEONE gets the point!

Tarun · May 22, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Suspending or banning players for spamming to sell their goods is only going to irritate the community. Especially when ANet has had over two years to improve the trade system and get an Auction House.

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).

A perfectly good point. Gaile wants us to get banned is how it sounds. Sure, Hard Mode gives more gold drops and better drops, etc. So now the economy is getting "fixed" so we can sell more, etc. etc. But you try to sell in the major cities and you get banned. There is no Auction House, no player merchant stands, nothing. All a player really can do is spam in Local and Trade to try for a sale, and that can take hours on end. That means less hours spent actually playing the game and instead being forced to sit around in a major city trying to sell something.

Replicant · May 22, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I know the temptation will be to say, "Well, give us an auction house and we won't need to do this." That would be nice, we all agree, but unfortunately, with the many other things we are working on, that's not going to happen in the immediate future.

Wow...... what can you guys have more important then an Auction house thats only been wanted since i dunno..... a month after the game came out?.

Nice to know you guys got your priorities straight over there... working on more Mini-Pets?

yay...?..

Sir Skullcrasher · May 22, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I know how we can make a homemade auction house.... everyone to LA ID 1 and we'll turn that place into a auction house! lol

On serious note, I agree with everyone here that banning peoples for spamming isn't the way to do things. I mean how else are we suppose to sell things without going to LA, Ascalon, or one of those trade towns to spam away our WTS or WTB message?

Aera Lure · May 22, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

People turning of trade-chat is exactly why some traders use all-chat. They perceive their 'right' to sell and to make a few gold coins as the most important and they do not respect the wishes of those who are not interested in trading. The problem is in this attitude of those traders that use the all chat for their trade really don't respect other people. They don't accept, don't want to accept, that the people who turn of trade-chat do not want to trade.

Right, since anyone with Trade channel off and All channel on is not interested in making a purchase anyway and listing your wares there isnt going to sell it any faster and is abusing channels most of the time, particularly if its a WTS. I dont see anything wrong with asking on All channel once or twice if anyone has a collector drop you need or that sort of thing, since they may have Trade off, but one shouldnt spam WTB there either.

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).

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Originally Posted by Tarun

A perfectly good point. Gaile wants us to get banned is how it sounds. Sure, Hard Mode gives more gold drops and better drops, etc. So now the economy is getting "fixed" so we can sell more, etc. etc. But you try to sell in the major cities and you get banned. There is no Auction House, no player merchant stands, nothing. All a player really can do is spam in Local and Trade to try for a sale, and that can take hours on end. That means less hours spent actually playing the game and instead being forced to sit around in a major city trying to sell something.

No, no its not a perfectly good point at all, since spamming and selling on channels are two entirely different things (see below). Its faulty logic to say spamming on all channels is the only way to sell but Anet bans you for it. Not true. You're mixing the facts in a way that would make certain politicians proud.

You also do NOT get banned for selling in major cities. How in the world did you come up with that one? Its all about HOW you sell and HOW you treat channel usage.

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Originally Posted by Domino

don't spam and you won't get banned.

personally I'm glad I don't have to see

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every time I walk through a city.

THAT is spam. Sending a message on a channel 3-5+ times in rapid succession is spam. Do that on the All channel and you deserve a ban imho. Its different on Trade channel, but reasonably you only need to repeat yourself of the same item WTS/WTB/WTT once every 30 seconds or so. Spam in ridiculous fashion on the Trade channel ought to warrant a ban too, but its much more egregious to do it on the All channel.

Have you ever stood in town trying to buy anything, reading Trade channel? Its only necessary to see the same line item repeated once every minute or so. Any faster than that as a seller doesnt sell it any faster for you and as a buyer if you saw it a minute ago odds are you arent going to change your mind and make the purchase if you saw it repeated six times in succession.

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Originally Posted by Every time i lag

most of the time i sell on forums
way more easy

Yeah, except the site is painfully slow. Painfully. Still, its better to use the Auctions here honestly. If I sell in game I price my wares low so they sell at a speed that is reasonable and I get it overwith. Its not a seller's market anymore due to the economy sag, which is probably why we are seeing frustrated people spamming even more than before.

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Originally Posted by Domino

I find this thread hilarious...

Me too.

=HT=Ingram · May 22, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Tarun

There is no Auction House, no player merchant stands, nothing. All a player really can do is spam in Local and Trade to try for a sale, and that can take hours on end. That means less hours spent actually playing the game and instead being forced to sit around in a major city trying to sell something.

Wrong!! Use it, customize it, salvage it, Mod it, put it on a Hero, give it to a guildy, or sell it to a NPC. There is plenty to do besides sitting in a town spamming for hours on end to get more then its worth. If you didn't want it to begin with, why then did you go farming for it? Oh thats right so you can sit in a town and spam for 20 hours till some idiot bites at your inflated price. Thats what you people get off on, and want to do, so go do it. Just don't be surprised when Anet staff starts saying that its wrong... And as far as anet giving you an Auction system. Why should they GIVE you anything? Maybe they do not want you to be able to sell stuff for such a high price huh? Maybe THAT is the message they have been trying to get across for over 2 years? YA THINK???!!!???

Personally I think everything Arenanet has done to force the market to drop is all the better, and now racketeers have such a hard time inflating prices for things and finding buyers that the Gold resellers are sky rocketing gold prices, in real world currency, because they can not get enough to stay in business from the inflation market any longer. Hurray for everyone!!! the ave idiot can no longer go and get 1million gold for the cost of a game. its significantly higher now and as such it is happening far far less. This is the best thing that EVER happened as far as anyone should be concerned, because now the CHEATERS, can not do it cheaply anymore. and that is what they are truly bitching about...

Commander Ryker · May 22, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Wrong!! Use it, customize it, salvage it, Mod it, put it on a Hero, give it to a guildy, or sell it to a NPC. There is plenty to do besides sitting in a town spamming for hours on end to get more then its worth. If you didn't want it to begin with, why then did you go farming for it? Oh thats right so you can sit in a town and spam for 20 hours till some idiot bites at your inflated price. Thats what you people get off on, and want to do, so go do it. Just don't be surprised when Anet staff starts saying that its wrong... And as far as anet giving you an Auction system. Why should they GIVE you anything? Maybe they do not want you to be able to sell stuff for such a high price huh? Maybe THAT is the message they have been trying to get across for over 2 years? YA THINK???!!!???

Personally I think everything Arenanet has done to force the market to drop is all the better, and now racketeers have such a hard time inflating prices for things and finding buyers that the Gold resellers are sky rocketing gold prices, in real world currency, because they can not get enough to stay in business from the inflation market any longer. Hurray for everyone!!! the ave idiot can no longer go and get 1million gold for the cost of a game. its significantly higher now and as such it is happening far far less. This is the best thing that EVER happened as far as anyone should be concerned, because now the CHEATERS, can not do it cheaply anymore. and that is what they are truly bitching about...

<the crowd roars, everyone applauds and they rise as one for a standing ovation> Well said!

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

People turning of trade-chat is exactly why some traders use all-chat.

And people using all chat to sell is exactly why I don't have that on either.

Tarun · May 22, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Wrong!! Use it, customize it, salvage it, Mod it, put it on a Hero, give it to a guildy, or sell it to a NPC. There is plenty to do besides sitting in a town spamming for hours on end to get more then its worth. If you didn't want it to begin with, why then did you go farming for it? Oh thats right so you can sit in a town and spam for 20 hours till some idiot bites at your inflated price. Thats what you people get off on, and want to do, so go do it. Just don't be surprised when Anet staff starts saying that its wrong... And as far as anet giving you an Auction system. Why should they GIVE you anything? Maybe they do not want you to be able to sell stuff for such a high price huh? Maybe THAT is the message they have been trying to get across for over 2 years? YA THINK???!!!???

Personally I think everything Arenanet has done to force the market to drop is all the better, and now racketeers have such a hard time inflating prices for things and finding buyers that the Gold resellers are sky rocketing gold prices, in real world currency, because they can not get enough to stay in business from the inflation market any longer. Hurray for everyone!!! the ave idiot can no longer go and get 1million gold for the cost of a game. its significantly higher now and as such it is happening far far less. This is the best thing that EVER happened as far as anyone should be concerned, because now the CHEATERS, can not do it cheaply anymore. and that is what they are truly bitching about...

If you don't want to sell and make any money to get things in game, fine. Some people do want to buy green items, get FoW, or have enough money to buy things. Rather than waste selling perfectly good items to the merchant for a severely underpriced amount. If I want items for my heroes, I'd go farm them if I have nothing I'd rather do. Not everyone farms the things they sell genius. A lot of people get their items from missions/chest drops.

Why should Anet give us an Auction House? Well, did we ask for minipets for the characters two year birthday? No. Polls everywhere said we wanted anything but those pets. Look what they gave us. More useless, yes USELESS pets that are being sold for an overinflated price and making the market worse. 100k+xxx ectos for many of the "rare" minipets. I'd much rather have an Auction House which would be VERY useful for everyone. Now that is a damn fine reason to add an Auction House. Auction Houses will also lower prices, as people will see the higher seller and make these somewhat lower to make a faster sale. I hear about it all the time from people who play other MMOs with Auction Houses or a similar trading system.

aaje vhanli · May 22, 2007, 10:28 PM // 22:28

I agree with the spammer ban and also think that aNet should be consistent with this action so that people stop doing it.

All the spam does is force the players who do not want it to turn off Local as well as Trade. The only people that Trade spammers reach by spamming Local are those who are interested in the trade spam in the first place -- those who would be looking in Trade Channel if that's where all the sellers were. Thus, this truly solves nothing and is only a nuisance.

The only people who want spam in Local are those who spam in Local.

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

I mean how else are we suppose to sell things without going to LA, Ascalon, or one of those trade towns to spam away our WTS or WTB message?

Party Search & Trade Channel.

Just because the majority of traders refuse to use what is available doesn't mean that spamming is the only option that aNet has provided. I don't think aNet should waste time trying to improve something that players refuse to use in its current state.

Prove to aNet that you can use what they have provided and then maybe they'll consider investing the time and effort into trying to improve it for you.

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Why should Anet give us an Auction House? Well, did we ask for minipets for the characters two year birthday? No. Polls everywhere said we wanted anything but those pets. Look what they gave us. More useless, yes USELESS pets that are being sold for an overinflated price and making the market worse. 100k+xxx ectos for many of the "rare" minipets. I'd much rather have an Auction House which would be VERY useful for everyone. Now that is a damn fine reason to add an Auction House. Auction Houses will also lower prices, as people will see the higher seller and make these somewhat lower to make a faster sale. I hear about it all the time from people who play other MMOs with Auction Houses or a similar trading system.

Minipets don't cause inflation, generated money does. Also, it's a gift - if you don't like them then sell them [the end]. The reason items are overpriced and sell for "100k+xxx ectos" is because some people are willing to pay that much for them due to the inflation of so much generated gold from gold farmers (legal and illegal). This is why aNet is trying to promote trade over more generated gold.

While I'm not opposed to an Auction House, your reasoning is completely unsupported. I play other MMO's that have Auction Houses and they do not stop people from selling overpriced items, they only help make trade easier and more organized. You're misdirecting your misinformation.

Miss Puddles · May 22, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

want to buy or sell something? use the trade channel.

don't? use all chat.

it's not that difficult!

=HT=Ingram · May 23, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Precisely. What little trade I do; and trust me its Very little; is in the Trade channel. Cause THAT is where its suppose to be. Not in all chat disrupting everyone's game-play activities and conversations in the process.

The excuse most commonly given for using all chat. No one is listening to trade channel...

Gee maybe thats cause THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SPAMMED FOR TRADE RIGHT NOW!!! Thats why they are allowed to turn it off. If you do want to trade, turn it on. Simple as that... Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?

Indeed I am more apt to NEVER buy anything from a all chat spammer... Why??? Cause 9 chances out of 10 they get put on my ignore list in order to get rid of the spam in all chat.

Thorondor Port · May 23, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

So people getting banned for trade spam on allchat? Great! Good work, Anet!

Thank you.. =]

Patrick Smit · May 23, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

So Oofus you can be offended by a suggestion from another, but you do not consider how much you offend others by using the all or local chat for trade, while that is prohibited by NCsoft/ANet?

I'm not sure who is sitting on the high horse here, what do you think?

I'll tell a bit about my last adventures on the streets of Kamadan. I was running around looking to sell some ancient bound books I found, I knew they were worth quite a bit, and that someone would pay a decent price if I just could find that person. I shouted that I had this book for sale that explained all details on a certain assassin skill. but soon I noticed that a few of my fellow salesman where shouting much more, and my attemps seemed in vain. I asked them why they shouted so oft the same sentence, and most replied, its a good sales technique and everyone does it. I replied, but hey, nobody can hear me and others who are not using this technique that is declared illegal by the town hall of kamadan. Most replied to that, yes you are probably right, I'll just try like you and just shout it once in a while that would give you some air too to advertize your wares. Only a few were too obnoxious to not consider the laws of Kamadan, and thereby interfere with the rights of other peoples.

AT some point I was thinking: How can we punish the spammers. It was a philosophical thought experiment, and had no intention of exercising it (yet). And I found the answer immeadiately: fight fire with fire. an ancient technique used for fighting big bushfires or controlling them so you could clean the land. SO if we identify a spammer, we could surround him with vigilantes, say more then 15 and then shout to him personally that his or her actions are illegal. He could ignore a few of us, but not all, and we would succesfully and rightfully drive away the mad salesman. He could impossible ignore us all by putting some cotton swabs in his or her ears like we can do when we want to ignore salesman or people talking about anything as we target him specifically. We could reclaim the streets of Kamadan for the honest and respectful salesman, that also respect others. Maybe this is the solution to the problem that the mayor of Kamadan seems not able to fight.

=HT=Ingram · May 23, 2007, 06:37 AM // 06:37

sorry, the ignore list is shared with your friends list space. its 50... since most of my friends are in my guild my ignore list is huge by comparison... so sorry bugsy... ignore is not limited to 10.. never was.

As to all chat local chat. now your getting down to symantecs... If you want to spam, fine, but maybe reread the Rules of conduct code and your EULA some time, there is language in it specifically regarding spam and the disruption of game play with it... so don't get your panties in a bunch when someone comes along and give you the ban wedgie for doing it in an effort to get it reduced and put in the CORRECT place.